I want to give a 4.5 for one annoyance that is part of the product. But, it's my fault so I can't complain. The pigment dye almost gives these sweats the look of washing dark clothes and light clothes in warm water. The dark colors bleed. That is the effect that should exist. Unfortunately, I didn't realize that. Beyond that, the thickness and the construction are perfect. Overall, happy with my purchase. I'll be customizing slightly and adding to my online shop. I Will likely update with photos once complete. www.paquetiagoodwin.com